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president chaos. tom speaks about an upcoming trip down the mississippi. stopping in nine locations on the river, the trip’s mission is to gather people where they are and encourage conversation on the topic of racism in america today. tom and rp also discuss the leadership vacuum left by a polarizing president, the politicization of the pandemic, and how we can move forward without a clear leader. 

tom scott is chairman & co-founder of the nantucket project. rp eddy was the architect of the Clinton administration’s pandemic response framework and the United Nations response to the global AIDS epidemic & is CEO of global intelligence firm Ergo.  

rp is co-author of the best-selling award-winning book Warnings: Finding Cassandras to Stop Catastrophes with Richard A. Clarke, Former National Security Council counterterrorism adviser.

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[00:00:16] It’s Wednesday. My name’s Tom Scott. I’m with our . R p. I heard a lot of feedback from yesterday’s show, Covid is back. I want to go I want to go back on something we discussed yesterday and I want to dig in again on Markovits stuff. 

 

[00:00:34] There’s so much going on in the world right now that it’s hard to, like, sort it all out. Right. And if you go back to. 

 

[00:00:42] The Trump rally. Because I did like I did a double take and I thought. 

 

[00:00:50] Was he really in a an arena? 

 

[00:00:53] With boatloads of people without masks on. I just thought, like what? Like did I. Is that really what happened? 

 

[00:00:59] Because there was so much going on, like my own sort of priority list as I would as a as I was observing the gathering. 

 

[00:01:08] Koven wasn’t that high on my list. It was more politics and other things. And then the story predominantly was about how his crowd didn’t turn out right. That was sort of what grabbed all the headlines. And then I thought, well, I’m going to go back and look at some of the pictures and just see, is it really true that none of these people had en mass? It’s really true. And I thought. 

 

[00:01:31] It’s just wildly irresponsible. I’m not trying to pick on the guy all the time, but a man, I just think you really packed a stadium with people with no masks on. 

 

[00:01:42] Average age of a Trump voter is 60. Average. He means half is above 60. Half are above 60. If you’re over 65, this disease becomes like extremely lethal. So it’s even more foolhardy than it looks at first glance. It’s crazy. It’s crazy. This whole mask thing, we’ve just got to get over it. Leaders have got to lead. He’s killing people. He’s killing his supporters. People will die. Someone from that rally is going to contract the virus from that rally. And he’s going to die from a virus they contracted at that rally because was indoors in an air conditioned space in an area with a high prevalence of endemic disease. And they weren’t wearing masks. That’s an 80 percent, 90 percent likelihood. It’s a horror. It’s sad. I don’t want it to happen, but it’s going to happen. And I’m looking at. Kiki, give a. Does he. 

 

[00:02:39] I mean. You know, that probably didn’t cross his mind. 

 

[00:02:46] I mean, just symbolically, you know, just as a way of saying, hey, guys, let’s be safe. I’m looking at it right now and I see the crowd behind him. Not one person. 

 

[00:02:53] I did the exact same thing. I could. I actually went back and looks like. Is it. Does it true that red mass. And they don’t look at it. So what are they? You know, they’re not evil people. What are they thinking. That were different than what we’re thinking. They’re thinking again, shared consequence. What disease are you talking about? I don’t know anyone who died. No famous person has died. You know, Arizona, Arizona’s actually headed to real trouble there. They’re getting the maximum ICU capacity very quickly. You talked about the Tucson rally. So there was. 

 

[00:03:31] No, no, sorry. I’m sorry. Tulsa. OK. Two different rallies. Tougher. 

 

[00:03:36] So Oklahoma even makes my point of them are clearly like there is not a lot of disease in Oklahoma. So people live in Oklahoma have seen something around 80 or 100 days of economic slowdown, a country one hundred and eight days, an economic slowdown and three days or something. And they don’t understand why. And, you know, back in ancient Arab ancient man, when there was thunder and lightning in the sky. People understand why they ascribe meaning to it. It’s the gods store. And and so they see a dynamic happening and they’re ascribing meaning to it. So that leads to conspiracy theories. Oh, it’s the Democrats trying to hurt Trump’s chance of winning. OK. It’s an it’s an attempt to literally muzzle us as being the folks the mainstream media doesn’t like. OK. Any number of things. But they don’t see it. They don’t believe it. There’s a history of that rebellion in America. There’s a history of self-reliance in America was a part of what made us great. That’s part of what made us expand as a nation, which obviously has its its ills as well. But it’s it’s sort of taking a wrong turn right. It’s like something that’s evolutionarily good about Americans is now headed in the wrong direction. It’s like your appendix, which, you know, evolutionarily is less critical. And it used to be at some point was relevant. Isn’t anymore now just causes problems. So in this instance, the self-reliant rebellion is making people say Masser a bad thing. Donald Trump apps that sound like he intimates it’s a bad thing. It’s not like he hints at a bad thing. It’s not like just by not wearing one. He’s signaling it’s a bad thing. He literally says it’s oppressive, it’s liberal. It’s a wussy thing to do. So people. And then he calls a rally inside an air conditioned space with people not wearing masks. So Arizona hired endemic disease. Average Trump voters, 60 years old. Average rally participant, probably 65 years old. Don’t I don’t know that number for sure. And people in Arizona, at least there’s a lot of endemic disease, are going to get the disease from the rally. So if you think that’s silly, go look at the Wisconsin voting. Your call, the Wisconsin election. A month and a half ago, people contracted the disease from that poorly handled voting. Remember what I’m referring to? And and I don’t know if anyone has died, but but over 50 people, he it’s 30 to 50 people a few months ago or, you know, a few weeks ago, clearly got the disease from that rally. So, you know, people who get the disease in the rally. Let me make one more point. There’s nothing in our brains that understands logarithmic growth. Nothing in our lives that grow logarithmically except things that are invisible, like viruses. And so we kind of know that we rationally understand that these things grow, quote unquote, logarithmically exponentially. What does that mean? Course, he means us two to four to 16, 32 to 64, you know. You know what it means? Means one person when the disease spreads to three people is basically what happens with this disease. One person gives to three and that gives to nine. Right. So it’s a factor of three. Growths are not a three. So that in and of itself is trouble. The other problem is the base number you start from obviously dramatically matters. So if you start from one hundred infections before you get your act together versus one versus a thousand, it’s an extremely different outcome. Part of what happened in America, and there’s a longer story about the heavy viral load they got to New York relatively quickly, the heavy viral load, they got to Seattle relatively quickly, although it wasn’t quick at all. 

 

[00:07:17] Took months. It took over a month of warning before it really got here. 

 

[00:07:21] Caused a crisis quickly. Crisis thinking is this stupid zone, right? When you’re thinking in crisis about a novel challenge like a disease. You know, you’re a policymaker. You, Donald Trump, your real estate guy, you’re a reality TV show. All of a sudden you have to think about a disease. I don’t know if you ever took a biology class in college. I don’t know what his background is. Understand this or advanced mathematics. I’m not criticizing my new measure. Most policymakers don’t understand these things. And there’s you add to it. So complexity mismatch is much more complex than it used to. It’s a crisis. It’s politically charged. People are literally dying. And you have to all do it real time. And private TV camera. It becomes much, much harder. Why do I mention on this? Because the 23 states in America that are now having growth of the virus are bringing this problem on themselves. And I don’t just mean that disease growing logarithmically or exponentially, I mean creating a sense of crisis in which decision making is harder. Final point is when you’re in this disease crisis mode, obviously. But the point I’m making is it’s too hard to shut down easily. You can’t test and trace the one or the 10 or the 50 cases. All of a sudden it’s a thousand cases and you’re well beyond your body test trace. You have to shut down. So you what you end up doing is making your solution set to one extremely expensive, unattractive solution. Shutdown. If you deal with that earlier, you have less expensive, less contentious solutions. Right. Test and trace. Isolate, mask wearing handwashing, social distancing. Those things can work better, much better when you have a lower amount of disease running around a lower amount of vectors. Final point on final point, just to make it clear, just think of it as an invading army. If you have, you know, five Russian soldiers with AK 47 landing in your town, the police department can probably get their hands on that thing inside your town. If that becomes 25 becomes an issue, may the National Guard shows up, becomes two in and fifty, then all of a sudden you probably are in real trouble. Right. And you have to go to different and more extreme solutions to deal with it. That’s what’s happening here. So these states that didn’t take it seriously in the first place because they didn’t share a consequence. So it wasn’t ridiculous for them not to. Now are going to have to take it seriously in a much more difficult situation. So they’re learning to ski on a triple back diamond, whereas they could have handled it and the Bunny Hill, if they got on top of it faster. The president is making that worse by telling people they shouldn’t wear masks by literally mocking mask wearing. And then on top of that, he’s making it worse by having rallies in places indoors with older people who are going to catch a disease, are going to spread the disease and some are going to die. So, you know, welcome to leadership in America today. So what do you do about it? 

 

[00:10:12] Don’t expect leadership in the White House expected from yourself, from your company, from your family, from the mayor, from your governor, just not there. You better find it yourself. 

 

[00:10:25] It was interesting. You know, basically, the EU is saying, no, this is this is a big deal. 

 

[00:10:33] Such a huge deal. Yeah, yeah. 

 

[00:10:36] I mean, they’re saying Americans cannot. I think you’re opening on July 1st and they’re saying, no, America can’t come here. 

 

[00:10:43] Saying like that. So not only. Holy shit. You know, business people can’t go fly over and look at their factories. Parents can go over and see their kids. Kids can’t come over. I mean, you know, the separation of humans from commerce and life and love. That’s a real thing. The economic impact is not just bonkers on that inability to literally get to our businesses. Yeah. The economic impact on the travel industry, the whole hotel industry and everything else is insane. 

 

[00:11:11] Right. 

 

[00:11:13] But the shame to America, where the EU, a nation, Europe, that the continent we’ve rescued twice in the past century, saying you can’t come here anymore. And by the way, they’re not wrong. 

 

[00:11:32] The in that to me. 

 

[00:11:35] I mean, holy Moses. What more do you need to see about America completely abandoning its role as a global leader? Which is what I talk about a lot. But now, even as a responsible global citizen, like you’re not invited to come to my meeting because you’re so irresponsible in my meeting, you know, you show up and you spill coffee on everybody and you take your clothes off. Mm. You can’t even come here anymore, let alone leave the meeting. 

 

[00:12:01] It’s, it’s, it’s awesome. Yeah. It’s. 

 

[00:12:08] Well, I think the other thing that’s happening. So we have this trip coming up and we’re going to go. Over 14 nights, we’re going to have at least eleven conversations and it’s a conversation on race. We’re gonna do it down the Mississippi again. Now, you know, you may love what we’re doing, you may like less what we’re doing depending on who you might be. The goal is. To build useful conversation. 

 

[00:12:41] And unite. 

 

[00:12:42] That’s what it’s for. And hopefully the conversations are courageous and that they are, you know, useful and sharable and all these other things. That’s what we hope for. Now, I’m mentioning it because. 

 

[00:12:56] We’re doing this in a moment where. 

 

[00:13:00] Our president is literally trying to divide us. I’m being literal here, right? It’s a literal decision to, you know, put masks in people’s face faces as a dividing point or to do some of the political things. And, you know, divisiveness is part of politics to a certain extent. But at this moment, one of the things that’s happening in a moment where America needs, you know, like some kind of unified progress, is that the division? Makes it all the harder. You know, I want to add there’s an irony to what I just said, because I also think it’s going to bring people to the table. I think there’s an exam aspiration on a lot of people’s parts where they’re going to want to participate even more because of what’s going on. And it relates back to your point, because I get frustrated. I get afraid. There’s a lot of I mean, we have to be healthy on our trip. We have to be smart on our trip. I want to be productive on our trip. And, you know, look, we’re gonna make a small dent. And I get that. 

 

[00:13:56] But it does make me want to do it more. The oppositional nature of what seems to be happening in the world does give me a little bit of energy to even do a better job, if that makes sense. But that’s how I feel. It’s like I’m a man. I’m in a I’m in a bit of a battle. With my own senior level of government, you’re doing. 

 

[00:14:15] No. OK. Sure. But you’re you’re doing your practice what you preach. 

 

[00:14:20] Right. 

 

[00:14:24] And I think the other thing for people, you know, you’re not you’re not making money off. I mean, like, you’re going out there now. You’re trying to combine Tom. 

 

[00:14:37] I have two stickers in the back of our suburban. And I was looking at them yesterday. I got my car washed after twenty two days of driving across the country with three little boys. You can imagine what that thing smelled like. So I got a wash and I was scrubbing it. And then I was fighting on the to bumper stickers, the back of my car, both of which have been on there for over a year. Top one is neighborhood, the Nantucket Project Neighborhood Project. I love that where you’re going out and you’re bringing people together and having them drop their electronic devices and drop their ego devices and drop all the things that separate us and try to encourage conversations in what has sadly become this magical revelation that talking face to face is a beautiful thing and that humans, Americans have more in common than separates us. And that’s sticker number one. You want to guess what sticker number two is? Actually, I will make it stick. Number two is the black purple black bar of I support the police. Again, I’ve had this up there for a few years because I have worked with police departments for a number of years. I train with police departments once a year and generally was kind of a law and order police supporter. You know, obviously within constraints and trying to modify and improve police departments in a counterterrorism basis has been one of my things for a long time. And just to be clear, helping police departments fight terrorists has been what I’ve been working on for since, you know, one degree, the other since 95. And so I have that on there and also have it on there is when a policeman pulls me over, hopefully they feel some degree of alliance. And I’m looking at these two things, both of which have to be purple and black. The colors I have and I’m thinking, you know, are these contradictory, what’s going on here? And it’s it’s a it’s a bit of the conversation you’re having. Right. So one of those has become a divisive symbol. One of those policing has become a divisive force. And there’s so much more to talk about that because I talked with our Chief Bratton and one of those is your effort to heal that division. And you’ve been doing that, of course, PREE for years and years and doing that. So you’re this is the time when we must do that. And again, it’s very easy to get in social media and Black Lives Matter post whatever it is like, get out and do it right. Go talk to people. So this trip across country for us has been such a revelation. And I’ve mentioned a couple of stories in the way of people. You know, everything everything you shared on your trip previously, which I only saw it sort of distance is now kind of the lessons of it have come home to us, too. So I can’t commend you for what you’re doing. It’s not what you’re doing isn’t in contrast to the president. What you’re doing is in furtherance of America, in furtherance of humanity, in increasing circles of empathy. 

 

[00:17:34] One last point. Here’s why I can look at polling data. 

 

[00:17:43] I can talk to experts. We do that professionally. We build our own models about will the president win or lose? It’s one of 15, I think, at this point. Fifteen Global Dynamics at my firm tracks every day. 

 

[00:17:57] And you can imagine the election of the U.S. president in every instance matters. In this instance, it matters dramatically. We obviously track Corona. We track North Korea. We track Saudi Iranian tensions. We track Venezuela. We track all these things. And we track the election. The U.S. president using the same extraordinarily powerful frameworks, expensive tools, lots of experts, constant modeling on all these things to help keep our clients, government and business ahead of the curve ahead of the headlines. That’s what we do professionally. One of the things we you and I can go look at our models right now, and I can tell you that the world’s best experts and world’s best models say Donald Trump today, when we four months out, has an eighty five percent chance of losing the election. 

 

[00:18:44] Now, please understand, four months is a eternity, particularly today’s dynamic. And so I really wouldn’t bet a penny on that yet. But here’s why. I actually think Donald Trump will lose. It’s not because of all that expensive modeling and the experts and the tools we’re building. And what I read, it’s because of sort of what you’re saying, Tom. Donald Trump is a chaos president, right? He is a. Test president polling data shows interviews show a large number of the swing voters who got him into office using the quirks of the Electoral College didn’t vote for him because they agree with his policies or agree with him as a man. It was because, in the words of one of the great leaders, the RNC vote for Donald Trump was the biggest middle finger they could give to their country at that moment. The biggest protest they could give at that moment, because at that point, they felt left behind and ignored and not wrongly, by the way, says when Hillary Clinton called them deplorable as et cetera, et cetera, they felt no one cared about them. The system is rigged against them. Pretty cogent argument, in my opinion, by the way. So how does he lead? 

 

[00:20:00] He leads by dividing us exactly as you said. 

 

[00:20:03] He profits from division. He profits from you shouldn’t wear a mask. 

 

[00:20:07] He profits from, you know, I mean, the litany of things that the dog whistle, race baiting that he’s doing, etc.. Right. The law and order kind of pounding the drums, showing videos last two days of black people attacking white people, which is what he’s spent his time on Twitter doing. President of our country has done that. So that had worked for him because those voters bought into that. In this election, in this era in America today, we are fatigued. This is why I think he’s going to lose. We’ve had enough. We don’t want division. We don’t want chaos. We don’t want crisis. 

 

[00:20:47] Most Americans now want a healing. They want to get back to the sense of what’s beautiful in this country. And that’s just not what he embodies, is not what he conveyed, is not what he’s teaching us, not how he’s leading us. So it’s for those reasons and actually it’s not the polling. It’s not the experts. It’s I. And that’s the trip that’s allowing me to see this, I believe are coming to a moment where America’s just had enough of the division and the chaos of the disease, of the black lives, of the murder of George Floyd and the inherent division that came from that. I and him constantly throwing gasoline on the fires. So that was very long. I apologize, but I think about that for a few days. And so, again, thank you for what you’re doing. Congratulations. What you’re doing. It’s we all ought to be doing. And I think because Americans are receptive to the neighborhood project to what you do, because that works. Here is why I think that we as a country probably have had enough. Those swing voters in those critical states probably had enough chaos. The Democratic bloc voters probably know they need to get out and vote. So I think that’s why I’m pretty confident to be the last term for Donald Trump. 

 

[00:22:02] It’s interesting, I mean. Yeah, I’m sure you saw some of those numbers. 

 

[00:22:06] Fifty to thirty six in one of the polls, I saw 50 to Biden, 36 to Trump. That’s a national number. There’s a whole variety of places where the numbers have moved in favor of Biden. And Biden is at numbers at currently that Hillary Clinton never reach. She never reached 50 percent. 

 

[00:22:22] The gap was never so wide. As our piece said, there’s plenty of time left. You know, the thing I think a lot about is. You know, there’s some kind of a galvanizing effect happening on the left, which is to say within the Democratic Party, largely in opposition to Trump. But then I also just wondered, like, what is the state of the Republican Party like? I do I, I don’t even understand what it is. You know, I can imagine, like the Ben Sasse. 

 

[00:22:51] Sort of. 

 

[00:22:53] I’m going to describe as sort of a older school. George Bush like, H.W. Bush like. Republicans set of values that right or wrong, I would argue I would prefer that these kinds of people would speak out more. I think they’re doing they’re making what they view as pragmatic choices by by remaining quiet. But I wonder what’s left of a party for them when all is said and done. And what does that party even look like or stand for? It’s just very, very difficult to know. And I feel like there. I mean, I read I read a tweet today from Bill Kristol, which, by the way, don’t to Twitter, but somebody sent it to me. 

 

[00:23:32] And it sounded like something. 

 

[00:23:37] You know. 

 

[00:23:40] Mika Brzezinski would have posted it at a time in the past, which is to say it read like a left wing rejection of Donald Trump. Like it was incredible. Bill Kristol, for those of you don’t know, is a conservative writer, thinker, pundit type, a guy who, you know, historically wouldn’t have said anything like that. It was just so interesting to see it. And I just kind of thought, like, what is the state of the Republican Party like? Where does this all land? I mean, like so many other things in life right now. I mean, you’re talking about a four point nine SPEs. The global economy will shrink four point nine percent. You know, four point nine percent. Sorry to shrink, to shrink four point nine percent is radical. I mean, it’s a radical. World, I mean, to grow zero is radical, right? Like, no growth is radical. The number of radical things that are going on right now, it’s it’s it’s overwhelming. And to the point, you just made a point about Trump’s recent tweets that I don’t know anything about. I don’t know a thing about them. And I’m judging from afar. But would you describe sense? It sounds terrible. Terrible. 

 

[00:24:45] No, it’s it’s what you know, you and I have kids around the same age. If our children tweeted what he tweeted, they’d probably get asked to. Did they get punished by their school? Yeah. Yeah. You know, tweeting, like, literally. Right. Like, we’d have a school conference, you know, a little junior year. Who’s been tweeting videos of black people attacking white people. Some of it’s your source to. Right. Neo-Nazi sources. What’s going on with Junior? Like what’s going on at home? Do you know Arpey? Like, what’s he seen it like? We’re really worried about his mental health. You know, all a lot of his classmates are really upset. Is his is his African-American classmates are just in tears. You know, that’s like that’s what our president’s doing in the state of the GOP. You know, you can have it seems like every time a new president takes over, he redefines his party. Right. And oh, my gosh. His party, the party right now of President Clinton isn’t the same party as of Carter. And the president of Bush 43 isn’t the same as his dad, 41, and of Trump isn’t the same 43 or 41. Well. So there’s constantly that conversation. It’s real. President sort of has. That’s what happens. Like, he wins. He’s the boss, you know, defines in his image to some extent during his term. This is dramatically, dramatically different because there’s there’s maybe only two or three of dozens of Republican planks that this president actually supports. So if you were to go back, you know, if you’re going a time machine and go back to any Republican before Donald Trump emerged as a candidate, let’s say, and said here’s how he’s actually going to govern, he’s going to be isolationists. Some are part Republicans. But I yeah, it’s kind of our plank, tiny, small plank. He’s going to be deregulatory. Definitely a Republican plank. He’s going to try to get conservative justices definitely concerned. Definitely a Republican plank. And he’s going to try to reduce taxes. That’s Republican plank. And he’s going to try to repressor China on trade. You know, probably some Republicans held it. Those things only are where he is coordinated with any historical Republican will be mainstream Republican planks. And I mean it. I like go back and look at the planks in the Republican National Committee Committee that they put together before every presidential election, whatever you want to define as the Republican shared thesis. Right. Every single thing else that he’s done is not Republican plank. And I can’t list them all at a.. Expertizes a.. NATO supporting Russia. Holy shit. Completely anti Republican supporting China, human rights violations, completely anti Republican, et cetera. So, no, he he doesn’t look like anything historically. 

 

[00:27:49] So what do you and I to two morals. 

 

[00:27:54] Well, so that that’s a big point. So the big difference, you know, we talked with The New Yorker article about Greenwich. There was a New York article maybe what’s it, two months ago about how Greenidge things like Greenwich sold its soul and changed Republican Party or something like that in Connecticut, very wealthy suburb of New York that you know well. And in that article, which I I didn’t love the article, it was kind of gossipy and, you know, didn’t appear to me to be New York quality. If I can say so. But one thesis, the article is definitely stuck with me, which is that what used to be a party that was proud of the prevalence of morality. To some extent, Judeo-Christian Abrahamic theology in its precepts is now replaced. 

 

[00:28:46] Those precepts of the golden rule. All that. All all of that. 

 

[00:28:51] So Bush 41 Reagan type, I actually care about other people. I actually am other focused. I care about service. I care about my nation. I care about my nation’s role in the world. I care about how my nation takes care of the least among us. Much like Jesus would preach, much like the Abrahamic religions would preach. That’s been replaced, says a New Yorker article. And I kind of buy it with an emphasis on greed, gathering and deregulation because you can’t have both. You can’t simultaneously say I care about the least among us. I want to live a crowd. I’m Christian, so I’ll keep referring to Christianity. I can’t live a Christ centered life. I can’t live by the golden rule I’ll do and others wish they were doing to me and also want deregulation so I can complete can pollute the the air that we share. And and pat. The courts with conservatives so that I can talk through the deregulation and lower taxes, dramatically lower taxes, so I can hoard my wealth. Now, Republicans have always want lower taxes, but those two things are not in concert there. Baer in contrast and I think that article got that point right. And it’s this president absolutely exemplifies the latter. Right. You know, he’s you know, like we’re talking too much about him. But he he’s not other focused. He you know, he stormed across Lafayette Square, gassed protesters who PPIF peacefully protesting, some of whom were beaten by the federal police to get to the steps of a church where nuns, members of the church, were caring for injured people, have them cleared out physically with tear gas. So he could hold a Bible in front of a church to try to show us he loves Jesus. Like the irony of that is. 

 

[00:30:48] He’s saying to me that, you know, hold the Bible upside down and backwards. To me, that’s kind of what Trump Republicanism looks like so far as you think about other people. 

 

[00:31:05] Well, for me. I said this about a week or so ago. But. What followed was. The mayor of Washington and the city council changed the name of the it became Black Lives Matter Plaza. They wrote Black Lives Matter in the road, in between the street and the White House is Lafayette Square. And this image from the sky showed the White House currently occupied by Donald Trump and Black Lives Matter. And for me, I posted that on Instagram. I’ve never done a political post. I don’t know if you call that a political post. I guess you’d probably call it a political post. I know exactly where I stand on that image. I know exactly that I stand with. The hopes of what Black Lives Lives Matter currently represents versus the way the White House is acting and speaking, I just I know exactly where I stand and that, you know, anyone who starts starts to bring up different technicalities of either side of that equation. I know exactly where I stand on that equation, which brought me to do it. And you’re right. We are talking a lot about Donald Trump. It’s interesting because. 

 

[00:32:18] You if you’ve been listening, you hear us say what we say about politics, but we and we talk about it from a point of view of humanity like we want to be. We wanted to be informative to humanity about Kofod. And I stand there still. But I think humanity has been played out so clearly in my head that it’s hard to keep my mouth shut. And in some ways, it does relate to my children, but it also just relates to this notion of my brothers and my sisters, symbolically speaking, at myse fellow citizens like I want to. I want to be part of a healthy, happy, loving culture. And therefore, whether you think we should be back to business or not around Kova, just wear a mask. It’s OK. No. One, it’s OK. You’re going to be better off with a mask and you can probably be in business and you can treat people with respect and you can treat people with love and lift them up and do. Those are the things we do not have to be in opposition to ourselves all the time. And if the president is going to so loudly proclaim his desire for divisiveness, I’m going to declare the other. 

 

[00:33:21] Hallelujah. So God God bless you, Tom. Just while we’re cooking in the Republican thing very quickly, if people are interested in what I would call the best of the Republican Party, what it’s thinking now, look up the Lincoln Project, Abraham Lincoln, the Lincoln Project. 

 

[00:33:42] It’s led, I think, led by Steve Schmidt, who was McCain’s top adviser. And ironically, what what is what is his next George Kahnweiler and George Conway. What a story that is. That’s gonna be a movie, right? George Conaway’s wife, of course, is one of the president’s top advisers. George Conway, of course, is one of the president’s top critics. It’s amazing. And the Lincoln Project has some awesome stuff up there. Thank you. 

 

[00:34:12] And they also have they’re putting ads out very, very quickly and very poignantly about what they see as their Republicanism ought to be where the president is. It’s it’s a pretty cool, pretty cool movement. 

 

[00:34:26] Pretty selfless, right? These guys aren’t going to win. Biden wins. They’re not getting jobs. The Biden White House, you know, very few of them around. They’re they’re doing. That’s a patriotic move, right. 

 

[00:34:38] Okapi, we’re we’re we’re out of time. The New York City Marathon has been canceled. The MLT, the Major League Baseball season, is going to open on July 20, 30, June, July 24th. There hasn’t been arrests yet or charges in the Briona Taylor. Shooting. There’s a lot of different things going on right now. 

 

[00:35:00] You know, Foushee expects to see this surge of infections. You know, the irony of the fact that I think Foushee generally seems like a guy who cares about the right things, but his boss is less tied in. I just want to throw out some headlines before we go. And if you want to make a final comment, go for it. 

 

[00:35:17] But thanks for the time. I think I’m really excited for tomorrow. 

 

[00:35:21] Ramming Police Commissioner, Police Chief Bratton, old friend of mine, old colleague of mine, police chief of New York, Los Angeles, Boston. 

 

[00:35:34] Help redesign London policing. Great human, great thinker. Great public servant. We’re going to get some time with him tomorrow, Tom. I hope people get to tune into that. I want to hear about defend the police. I want to understand how, you know, in some ways, just to be clear, policing is also one of the best ways that minorities achieve Middle-Class status in America. Right. If you look at who gets to join, who joins the police force in many cities, who gets that income that kicked that can become a middle class income, it sure doesn’t start as one. A lot of them are minorities. So there are some aspects of policing we have to think about, and there’s certainly things that have to be fixed. And so this is a man who, you know, I’ve always been surprised. He is not a gung ho stand by the cop guy by any measure. He’s stand by the lawful public servant citizen on patrol police officer, of course. But he’s also the first one to criticize the police and they step over the line. It’s gonna be fascinating to spend time with him tomorrow. So I’m psyched for that. And I liked our conversation today. I think we covered a lot of kind of important ground. And I’m proud to get to work with someone like you. And I’m really excited for the trip you’re going on in the conversations you’re going to bring together. Well, jealous, I’m not going. I can’t do it, but it’s gonna be awesome. So thanks for doing that. 

 

[00:37:02] I appreciate it. I appreciate. I appreciate your time and. I know when we started this, we didn’t see this coming. And it’s been a journey. So thanks for all your commitment. 

 

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